Semboyan35 Indonesian Railfans

thanks a lot people!

I already found some very interesting pictures on the forum! Of course it's also good to see another shot of the CC5012, she must have been the cibatu-diva in those days...
some more pics of mine can be found here
Maybe one day I'll build a DD52, but it's pretty hard to get a lot of information about them, a CC50 was a lot easier in that aspect (I live in Utrecht, so there is a CC50 in the railway museum here in town, although they have built a rollercoaster (!) around it). Right now I try to concentrate on the engines that were in Cibatu in 1980, the next one I'll build will probably be the CC1007 or CC1009 and a half slaughtered CC1032.


Then the reason to build in 1:66 and not H0: If I wanted to build indonesian trains in H0 scale I would have to use 12mm-track to get them to look right, but during the years I built H0 standard gauge european engines I gathered such an amount of cheap second-hand old H0-locomotives for parts it would be a shame if I couldn't use those... Parts and track for 12mm (H0m) models are much harder to get. Also I already had some trouble getting small H0-engines to run well, so I didn't really want to go any smaller than H0, and the bigger the scale, the more detail you can build.
In the end I just figured out what scale I would need to use 16,5mm-track for indonesian railways, a simple calculation: 1067/16,5=64,7 so 1:64,7 it is.... To make the calculations from drawings a bit easier I decided to use 1:66,6 instead, now model size =(real size/100)x1,5 so I don't need to use a calculator all the time. Because I was planning to build both trains and scenery myself using a weird scale like 1:66 wouldn't really be a problem... Only the people on and beside the trains would be a bit of a problem, but so far 1:72-figures look fine.

Before I came up with this I thought about building some of the NIS broad gauge-stuff in H0, but I didn't have a lot of information about it, only some drawings of the engines, but no carriages etc. Maybe one day I'll build an H0-scale NIS-engine and use it together with my european H0-engines on a european H0-layout during a show, It would be interesting to see if people would have any idea what kind of engine it is. (just very few modellers know something about indonesian railways here...)

...and an indonesian layout is nothing without one of there of course :-)


cheers!
Floris

Wow your models are great? Specially cause there are very rare model of Indonesian locomotives. Great works... Floris.
Do you have some tutorial how to make them? It's very nice if you share your knowledge to Indonesian modeller so we could conserve Indonesian locomotives via model....

awesome train model Mr Floris

welcome to Semboyan35.com...

I like this so much! Hopefully... Thanks a lot Floris!

wew, awesome....

it's very great ! i like it

i found the site where the cibatu shed was still operated,,,
here are the link for that site,,

hope it can help you to built an awesome Indonesian train model,,

thanks people! I already found that degahk-flickr-account, I used those pictures to build the CC5012 and C1127 models. It's great people have been there in those days and even better they put all their pictures on the web!

Writing a tutorial about building locomotives like this would be kind of difficult, they are all quite different... but I can explain some very basic methods.

When I want to build an engine like this I have to find drawings of it first. That's not really hard, the book "de stoomtractie op java en sumatra" by oegema contains drawings of all indonesian steam engines used on mainline- and tramway services and even some private plantation- and industrial engines. The drawings do not show much detail, but they provide enough information for an accurate model if you also have some photographs. Then scan the drawing to your computer and print it the correct size for the scale you want, so the drawing is exactly as big as your model will be.
Then start with the frame, mechanism and motor. Try to find second hand-trains (or new ones, depends on how much money you want to spend on the model) that already have the right wheels at the right distances, maybe cut off an axle or place the motor a bit differently (I used two 1D1 mikado-engines with the rear coupled axle cut off for the CC50 for example). Try to find something that needs as little modification as possible, it can save a lot of trouble. I always bought any cheap steam engine I could find, when you do that for a while you will find you'll always have something that fits. For indonesian engines I especially like the american Mehano engines, because the mechanism looks very much like the ones used on many of the bigger indonesian engines. For example, if you want to build a C27 you can just buy a mehano pacific like this put spoked wheels in the bogie and add another bogie to the rear and you're started.

When I've found something that will fit the engine I'm building I take it apart, check whether everything will fit in the new body (just hold it on the drawing), make all modifications it needs (maybe put the motor in a different position or use a smaller motor, cut off parts of the frame, change the mechanism etc) and get it all working again, it's very important to start with a frame that works well. Especially with longer engines, check if it will be able to go through curves etc. Keep testing a lot as you build further. This is very important!

When you have a working frame, you can start building the new body. I always use polystyrene sheet for it, also known as plasticard. It's the same material plastic model kits are made of, so I use model kit glue (Revell usually) to glue it together. When glueing other materials than polystyrene to it I use cyanoacrylate glue (superglue).
Usually I start with the boiler (usually made of a piece of plastic tube, the kind they use to put electrical wires through is quite useful) and the footplate, then connect the two with the smokebox and the cab, build these parts very careful so they fit around the frame and mechanism nicely and sit straight and always look for ways to build everything in such a way you can take the model apart to service the motor etc when the model is finished (this usually requires quite some thinking).

When there is a frame with a footplate, boiler, smokebox and cab I start making parts like domes, chimney, smokebox door etc by piling little rounds of polystyrene sheet and turning them to shape with sanding paper and files, you don't need professional tools like a lathe for this, an ordinary drill will work just as fine.

Then you can add detail... and more detail and more detail. Evergreen-stripstyrene strips are very useful to create small detail, I also use a lot of thin metal wire. Rivets on the sides of an engine can be made as follows: make a piece of paper that fits exactly on the panel of the engine you want the rivets to be on, put marks where you want the rivets and push the paper with a small pointed pin (a nail or something) from the inside, lines of rivets are best done along a ruler. Then carefully glue the paper to your engine with some universal glue (use just a little) and when it's placed on the engine soak it with very fluid superglue. The paper will soak up the superglue and become very hard once the glue has dried, so the rivets won't be damaged easily. see these pics for an example.



and the result..


then painting... being all black indonesian engines aren't that hard to piant. I mostly use flat dark grey paint and an airbrush to paint them, when you just spray them black a lot of detail gets lost and weathering gets a lot harder.

Here some links to pics I took when building some stuff... could give some more clues how I did this 'n that.

F10 (frame made of 2 piko br 55, mechanism mehano 1D1 mikado)







CC50 (2 mehano 1D1 mikado-frames)



C1127 (made in a different way, I drew the engine in autocad first and used this drawing to design the parts I needed and used a CNC milling device at work to cut most of the parts, it all fits more accurate that way, the engine I used for the frame is a Trix br 74, some further parts like the sandbox and mechanism are from a fleischmann "Anna")


Werkspoor-carriage, almost entirely made of CNC-parts


Old "java-draaistel" bogie, made of about 60 CNC-parts


If one of you has acces to a cnc-thing like this or owns one I could send some of my files, so you can make your own C11 or werkspoor-carriage-kits
Cheers!
Floris

Hello guys!
I started building another engine a while ago, Cibatu's CC1007. A quick post with some pictures...
it starts with a lot of digital drawing:


then make the frame parts using a cnc-milling machine and add gears, wheels etc, mostly very cheap second hand-stuff:


yesterday I started assembling the body from cnc-milled parts:


I really like the strange separate front part of the watertank which moves with the front part of the engine. It makes it a bit harder to build the model in a way that enables it to run smoothly through very sharp curves (it may be a mallet-engine but it's still far too rigid for the ridiculously sharp model train curves) but it seems to be working after all

cheers!
Floris

OMG...!!!

Awesome..!!.. CC50 my lovely steam loco .. two thumb dude

thats an awesome train!